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I don't think that this produces correct results, as it seems to determine whether each individual number is Numberwang. However, whether a number is Numberwang can also depend on the previous numbers in the sequence or other factors.

So I think as it stands right now this model can only determine whether a number would be Numberwang as the first number of a sequence, but even for that I still wouldn't rely on this in the actual game show.


Do we really know that? Or have we only seen the sequences from people searching for Numberwang? Has a number been both Numberwang (or Wangernumb) and not Numberwang (or Wangernumb)?

Yeah, we do - there's a famous episode where after rotating the board both contestants stubbornly kept picking 1, and after a couple of iterations one of them was Wangernumb.

Oh, well, after rotating the board, sure, I get that.

I can confirm this is the first episode, which I just watched since I had no idea about Numberwang until a minute ago. So I guess a true Numberwang fan would know that.

The rule book is quite big. You must have seen it in one of the many ads for the family board game version. As one site summarizes it:

> A NumberWang "board game in a box" was produced in 2008, including the board, numbers, two 400-sided dice, special hosting accessories and all 37 volumes of the rules so that you can say "That's NumberWang!" with confidence. For everyone from ages 8 to 88.

So even the true fan may falter in his or her judgement.


Obviously, it depends on whether board has rotated or not. It seems the model doesn't support board rotation yet, so the result is consistent with the limited set of features.

Also you must factor in what's behind the board!

I'm also not sure that we know a non-number can never be Numberwang.

If you think about The Event you can figure it out. (Don't think about The Event).

It is unlikely to be necessary on HN to remind readers to remain indoors.

A non-number could be either a Numberwang OR a Wanganumb - this does depend on whether Yorkshire is a pudding or not.

It's not well known, but in February of 1983, there was a finch in the Galapagos that was found to be numberwang. And of course there was the famous incident in the 1994 World Series where a homerun was overturned because it turned out it was a wangernumb hit into the stands, and not a standard baseball.

Woah believe it or not, that's Numberwang!

blueth is numberwang tho

Currently 6833 people in Sweden have the last name "Malm", and some large fraction of them were born before 2005 (could not be bothered to check how many, sorry!).


Ironic, considering the content.


Neither you nor any of the other people making confident takes in either direction actually know. You're just guessing.


More like repeating their firmly entrenched preconceptions. Their claims may (or may not) be right, but there's very little if any new evidence being provided by either camp.


The real uncomfortable thing is that because we cannot confidently know, the moral defacto position is to treat them like they are.


I know you "feel" pain because I can poke you and observe the result. If I do it enough there is permanent damage.

Show this same phenomenon exists in LLMs.



We did exactly that and published it last month right here: https://www.anthropic.com/research/emotion-concepts-function


They are confidently hallucinating a factual statement. Which is funny when claiming that confident hallucinations are the proof of LLMs' lack of intelligence.


One side is making a positive assertion. The other is making a negative assertion. One side can prove it's right. The other, logically, cannot.

One camp has to offer it's proof. If it has none then that _in and of itself_ is highly suggestive.

People have fully turned their minds off on this subject. It's disgusting.


No, you're just guessing, as you don't know a single thing about me, what I've researched, or what work I've done on this subject. Other than suggesting that I might be wrong, for what reasons one can only guess, you've actually offered nothing yourself.

In any case, what data, if any at all, did you use to arrive at this egotistical assertion?


Your posts are very much like "I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this margin is too narrow to contain".

If a definitive answer on this topic was known then it, well, would be known.


It does, but only for chats between two specific devices. Multi-device support is one of its best features that you lose with E2E.

Key distribution is just too hard. I think we won't get a messenger for non-tech people that works well with multi-device and E2E basically ever.


whatsapp, facebook messenger, imessage all support multi-device and it's pretty convenient, in fairness to telegram they launched a bit before double ratched was invented, but still, they've had over a decade to switch to it...


WhatsApp doesn't support multi-device. You can't have it installed on two phones at once.


you can (https://faq.whatsapp.com/1046791737425017/?cms_platform=andr...)

they even have it on fb messenger and instagram (though they recently removed e2ee completely from instagram lol)


That's still one device. If you turn the primary phone off, the secondary device stops working. WhatsApp just proxies everything through the primary device, it's like WhatsApp Web.


It used to be like that but not anymore. As siblings suggested you can now use it on up to 4 (I believe) additional devices.


They used to, but that hasn't been true for a few years now.

Now it uses the Signal protocol's native multi-device capabilities, specifically in the "key per device" variant (unlike signal itself, which uses "key per account" if I'm not mistaken).


This is not true, even if the primary phone is offline you can send messages via secondary device, even whatsapp web

It’s not proxied via primary, otherwise it wouldn’t work if primary were offline


> It’s not proxied via primary, otherwise it wouldn’t work if primary were offline

That is correct, it doesn't work.


Please stop spreading misinformation that can trivially be disproved with five minutes of effort.


I just tried it. Did you?


> You can now use the same WhatsApp account on multiple devices at the same time, using your primary phone to link up to four devices. You’ll need to log in to WhatsApp on your primary phone every 14 days to keep linked devices connected to your WhatsApp account.

ref: https://faq.whatsapp.com/1317564962315842/?cms_platform=ipho...

> Use WhatsApp on your computer even when your phone is off.

ref: https://faq.whatsapp.com/378279804439436/?helpref=faq_conten...


Yes, and it works, as it has for the past few years.


So I don't need my primary device any more? I can just shut that phone down forever?


No, I think you need it to be online once every 30 days or so. That's a much weaker requirement than what you were disputing, though.


oh, i see, is it the same for facebook messenger and instagram, imessage, etc?


I don't know, I don't use those. It is for Signal, I don't think so for Instagram, since I don't think that encrypts end to end.


It's not true for Signal either. Why don't you try it for yourself instead of spreading outdated (at best) information? Signal supports native multi-device capabilities without relaying everything through the "primary" device.


Messenger seems to be properly multi-device, but you pay for this by some PIN code bullshit (maybe they removed that, I haven't seen a popup about this for over a year now?) and having to sync chat history in the background, through a process that is, of course, broken and unreliable.

I'm actually still jaded about this. Messenger worked fine before they broke it by introducing E2EE; it took years for them to fix the problems this caused (at least the ones that were immediately user-perceptible).


yeah messenger still has the pin code thingy, i'm curious why they do it at all that way, can't you just have your keys on fb servers encrypted with another set of keys derived from your password, which is much stronger than a 4-6 digit key?


It's still broken if you're like me and you clear cookies

"Let's take people's years-long history between each other and just utterly break it. Why? 'privacy'" but they've never cared about it, they're opportunistic fucks. It's Zuckerberg's company to do with it "as he wishes" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16770818


It's called iMessage. It's possible, Telegram just doesn't care. All their differentiating features (large groups, channels, device sync) is directly enabled by the lack of encryption.


they do have encryption, just not e2ee, and in fairness to them, it doesn't make sense to have e2ee on a channel or a group with 100k ppl in it, also device sync is possible with e2ee, it's just a slower


you can have large groups and device sync WITH e2ee, see Matrix.


Any Matrix client I tried lagged even without chats though.


Matrix


What are you talking about? WhatsApp, iMessage, and Signal all have multi-device support and are E2E encrypted, just to name a few very popular options.


EWM implements a Wayland compositor as a native thread spawned by a dynamic module in Emacs, it's a full compositor within the Emacs process: https://codeberg.org/ezemtsov/ewm

So it is architecturally possible (but infeasible in plain Emacs Lisp).

For river (the thing this article is about) I wrote an Emacs WM, but also opted for a dynamic module for the Wayland protocol parts: https://code.tvl.fyi/tree/tools/emacs-pkgs/reka

This one could technically be written in plain Emacs Lisp, but I'm happy to use something that already has all the XML codegen stuff for Wayland figured out. Dynamic modules work pretty well, fwiw.


Oh, reka looks interesting. Thanks for linking it. I don't disagree with you about dynamic modules, I just think that EWM's architecture shouldn't be necessary. (In which I think we agree?)


It is probably country and language dependent, I think. I don't know anyone under 40 who doesn't write in cursive (in Russian), and for other languages I personally also write in cursive (and learnt that in school). I'm in my 30s.


> I don't know anyone under 40 who doesn't write in cursive (in Russian)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/%D0%9B%D...

Understandable.


OP double negated - cursive is the norm for Russians of all ages.

Russian cursive is actually not that bad to read for the most part. Russian “print” is super awkward because all the characters are very angular.

There are some differences between generations (younger generations are more likely to write “т” in handwriting whereas the “correct” form looks more like a Latin “m”, but with obvious examples excluded (like the above), it just takes learning as a separate alphabet.


> cursive is the norm for Russians of all ages.

I know. I always feel utterly embarrassed when Russian-speaking friends write down a movie title for me, and I have to ask them to rewrite it in block capitals.


That's a good one, I must admit.

FWIW, Serbian Cyrillic cursive does not have that issue, or at least not as bad: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/%D...


Okay, so which hardware are you buying that isn't using any Chinese components?) I don't think the empire can make this kind of hardware from scratch without China at the moment.


Killing off free repos is not going to happen. That would be a suicide move on the level of the Digg redesign, or Tumblr's porn ban.

It kind of would be good for everyone if they did do it though. Need to get rid of this monopoly, and maybe people will discover that there are alternatives with actually good workflows out there.


They are owned by Microsoft. When has Microsoft ever had a good idea?


Buying Github seems like a good idea? But fucking it up wasn't, so maybe it comes out even.


it would indeed be a suicide move, but note that you are comparing that to two moves that have happened, so it's not unprecedented.


Microsoft has suicide-ed bigger than Digg.


People go through all this trouble to host convoluted chat systems, and all this time IRC is right there. There's modern servers like Ergo and modern clients like Halloy (or for the JavaScript addicts: Convos, The Lounge, Kiwi, ...) providing all the multi-device history sharing and emoji reactions you could need. All on top of a super simple, extremely battle tested protocol.


But according to https://ircv3.net/software/clients, none of the clients you mentioned actually support emoji reactions (draft/react), and other features like multi-line messages and image uploads are likewise extremely limited in server/client support. So, for the time being, you can't use these features if you want to actually be interoperable with existing IRC users and their clients. Sounds like if you want decentralized, Matrix is still the better bet.


I have hosted IRC before but im not about to explain all the nuances to my non technical friends and family. At that point I will just use XMPP.


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