>When people say you’re not “thinking critically”, they’re saying you’re trying to portray one of the modern conflicts with the lowest civilian deaths (versus combatants) as a crime against humanity while ignoring numerous others — eg, genocides in Niger or Myanmar, and forced expulsions in Armenia/Azerbaijan.
Why is it that this is always mentioned? As if ignorance of one crime against humanity makes us incapable of criticizing the other? And where exactly are the public spokespeople from our governments talking about how any of these genocides are justified as the killers have a "right to defend themselves"? Not to talk about how an attack that killed 4000 people justifies killing 25000 non-combatants.
> They’re not interested in a tit-for-tat retaliation: they’re intending to destroy the political and military structures that made the attack possible. A smaller country can’t cry “that isn’t fair!” when they start a fight and get beaten — this isn’t a scuffle between kids at school.
This is not even comparable to what is occurring when the world is condemning Israel's actions. If Israel was interested in removing the political structures that made Hamas's attack supported by Gaza then they could've stopped the settlement of the west bank, supported the stability of the Palestinian state, and countless of other actions which would have lowered the risk of creating terrorists in Gaza.
If you followed the conflict you’d have seen that Israeli concessions (especially the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza) have only made the Palestinians more radical.
The overwhelming states goal of Palestinians is the destruction of Israel and any Israeli concession leads towards that.
Israel doesn't want peace because they're winning. Every year Palestinians lose territory, and the land that remains becomes more and more uninhabitable.
Israelis don’t want peace because every time it was attempted, it only led to more violence and misery. The suicide bombings around Oslo accords in the 90’s, the second intifada of 2000, the terror enclave that became of Gaza after the disengagement in 2005; peace is a dangerous pipe dream.
The last time Israel “attempted” peace was before the majority of Palestinians were even born. The only peace talks that had any chance of working were held by Rabin who got promptly murdered. Israel also never stopped killing Palestinians and refuses to return the land they have unlawfully occupied.
It was never theirs to begin with and they turned it into a prison. They destroyed the Gaza airport and harbor. Build a fence around it so nobody could enter or leave. Refused to negotiate with the elected officials of Gaza.
Israel still has settlements in the west bank and has annexed the Golan heights. No matter which border agreement you believe is the lawful one, Isreal hasn't honored any of them.
You’re just moving the goalposts. Israel did withdraw from Gaza and let them run it on their own. The Palestinians had full sovereignty and could have made the place into a Singapore. They built the world’s largest terror base instead. Do you know what an insane undertaking is building the amount of underground infrastructure they did? Could have built factories instead.
You know perfectly well that they are not allowed to build factories because, guess what, factories can also be used to make weapons. Gaza is not even allowed to import basic medical equipment like X-Ray machines. So much for "full sovereignty".
People have repeatedly pointed out how your facts have no bearing on reality.
Israel never prohibited any factories. They have cars, computers, and a powerful army with ballistic munition know-how that’s rare. They could have smuggled in anything. Who said there are no X-ray machines in Gaza? Gaza had many hospitals before October 7th, ironically probably more than Israel itself.
So what Gazans did after the disengagement:
1. Electing Hamas into power
2. Ceasing having elections, instead opting for a Taliban style religious Islamist rule
3. Arming themselves to the teeth
4. Routinely shooting missiles, mortars and RPGs into Israeli civilians
Cars, computers and everything else is imported. There is no manufacturing to speak of.
> Small-scale industries in Gaza City include the production of plastics, construction materials, textiles, furniture, pottery, tiles, copperware, and carpets.
Your claim that Gaza had more hospitals than Israel is absurd. Israel has 5x the population, for starters. A cursory Google search indicates Israel has 10x the number of hospitals.
I recognize your arguments because I've heard them all before. Repeated ad nauseam by people who grew up in Zionist households and got all their news from comically partisan sources. They sincerely believe what they say and fact checking their claims is completely pointless because evidence means nothing in face of a lifetime of indoctrination.
Like ultimately if there's no two state solution, then it's either a genocide or expulsion of the Palestinians or a one state solution. If it's one state it can either be Jewish or democratic, but almost certainly not both.
Why is it that this is always mentioned? As if ignorance of one crime against humanity makes us incapable of criticizing the other? And where exactly are the public spokespeople from our governments talking about how any of these genocides are justified as the killers have a "right to defend themselves"? Not to talk about how an attack that killed 4000 people justifies killing 25000 non-combatants.
> They’re not interested in a tit-for-tat retaliation: they’re intending to destroy the political and military structures that made the attack possible. A smaller country can’t cry “that isn’t fair!” when they start a fight and get beaten — this isn’t a scuffle between kids at school.
This is not even comparable to what is occurring when the world is condemning Israel's actions. If Israel was interested in removing the political structures that made Hamas's attack supported by Gaza then they could've stopped the settlement of the west bank, supported the stability of the Palestinian state, and countless of other actions which would have lowered the risk of creating terrorists in Gaza.