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Leadership by the Tokugawa shogunate saved the forests of Japan. Leadership saved the ozone layer. Leadership can save the climate, although civil war(s) maybe necessary to overthrow corrupt elites who put us all at risk.


Earth has an immune system called the atlantic meridian overturning cycle. When meltwater dillutes the salt concentration too much, it collapses and creates an ice age. Short term catastrophe, long term it will be OK.


I think when people talk about stuff like this everyone realizes that the Earth itself will be a-okay in the long run (or hell even the short run), it's more that humans as a species are the ones that are going to go kaboom.

We saw during the COVID lockdowns that a few months of no cars and drastically reduced oil usage in general how much things improved for nature in general, in fact. Earth will recover very quickly once we're gone, the question is more how do we avoid the "humans gone" part because we presumably want to keep the human species going.


> it collapses and creates an ice age.

We're already in an ice age (there is ice at the poles). I suspect you mean this would make Europe cooler, but do nothing to reverse the trend of increasing global mean surface (land + ocean) temperature.


Wrong, that's not how glacial periods are defined. This is definitely an interglacial period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial


> Wrong,

Such confidence.

> This is definitely an interglacial period.

Absolutely, and therefore just as I stated, by your link, we are in an Ice Age.

(Perhaps you could read to the end of the very first sentence of your link?)

> that's not how glacial periods are defined.

What, exactly, made you think I was defining a glacial period when I spoke of "Ice Age".

If it's not clear by now, I was responding to an abuse of the term Ice age, after all ... https://youtu.be/zQuGub7yzpA?t=98


They mean a glacial period, I guess... we are in an interglacial in an ice age


Correct. This is all planned. Colossal Biosciences has already brought back the Dire Wolf and is working on the woolly mammoth. It is no coincidence that these are younger dryas animals, because they are expecting these animals to thrive in the near future glacial period. Don’t feel guilt tripped into causing this collapse, you have no control over it even though you can do some marginal things to reduce your individual footprint. Whatever needs to happen, will happen. AMOC collapse greens the desert. It also happens to be the region that dictates how affordable fossil fuels are and thus how much of the stuff is burned due to OPEC. If you are religiously inclined, that is meaningful.

Edit: For reference: https://colossal.com/direwolf/ https://colossal.com/mammoth/


Jury's vague on AMOC collapse despite the high bong appeal. Points for the furry weave.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturnin...


you should look more into the wolf thing. they didn’t do that.


New England and UK will get colder, that's all the models say about AMOC's current weakening and shutdown. It's not a naturalist apocalypse.




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